Friday, December 18, 2009

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Yes Virginia, There Is An Obstructed View At Citi Field

Aidan dropped me a note along with this picture:

"I realize that this is the foul pole an a necessary part of any baseball stadium but when I purchased these seats on the phone the day tix went on sale there was no mention that this could be an issue. To be honest this is (not) even the worst view as if you sat in the next seat over your view of homeplate was 100% obstructed. Now I'm not asking them to remove the foul pole but a little warning, disclaimer, or discount I think is not much to ask for. I'm curious what your thoughts are on this issue?"








For the answer, we seek the wisdom of Dave Howard who was once quoted by saying:

"The way we characterize “obstructed” is if you have an obstruction, something in front of you — a beam, a pillar, something that’s blocking your view."

So yes Aidan, this appears to be an obstructed view, even under David Howard's narrower-than-mine version of the term.

You have something in front of you, something that is blocking your view, such as a pillar or beam.  My dictionary defines a pillar as "a slender, freestanding vertical support; a column."  Whereas I don't believe the foul pole supports anything, the secondary definition is "such a structure or one similar to it used for decoration."   A decoration is "something that renders something more ornate" and something ornate is "flashy, showy" such as the only orange foul poles in major league baseball.  In my opinion you have a pillar blocking your view, thus it is an obstructed view in the sense of the Howard Definition.

Do I think the Mets should label as such?  Yes.   I'm actually surprised at your suggestion that they don't and am not sure they they don't.  I know in the old Yankee Stadium (1976 version) I sat in seats that were called limited or obstructed or such.  I don't remember about Shea and I don't know about Citi.

Do I think they should discount it?   Yes.

Do I think this is a big deal?  No.  It's a foul pole at a baseball game.  Just warn the buyer.

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5 Responses to "Yes Virginia, There Is An Obstructed View At Citi Field"
Ceetar said :
December 18, 2009 at 7:44 AM
definitely should warn you, and while it's annoying to have to bend around the pole, I actually sat in those seats (I believe it's section 103, rows 4+, seats 1 and 2) and they're pretty awesome seats. It's a cool view of being able to see from the outfield, watch fly balls, the RF. btw, these seats are also obstructed view of the scoreboard, given the Pepsi Porch is in the way (don't know about the new scoreboard, this was before that) I have better pictures, I tihnk, if you remind me.
David said :
December 18, 2009 at 9:18 AM
I remember at Shea there was a seat directly behind the "fair" pole on the field level. Someone always showed a picture of it ...
December 18, 2009 at 9:28 AM
There's obstructed views at all parks. It's a foul pole, we all get it. I just can't stand that particular quote from Mr. Howard, as if the plexiglass is not an issue. I kind of understand if modern building codes caused the problem, but then I attend a Yankee game...
Ceetar said :
December 18, 2009 at 10:41 AM
from seat 3 (so 2 seats to my left)

http://picasaweb.google.com/ceetar/040909_Pirates#5336098562627325874
nyengr said :
December 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Another picture of this "obstruction". http://picasaweb.google.com/art.by.becki/CitiField#5326434764359011842

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