Showing posts with label pete rose. Show all posts
Showing posts with label pete rose. Show all posts

Wednesday, February 18, 2009

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Clean Up The Hall of Fame

Mark McGwire can't get elected.

Pete Rose and Joe Jackson are banned.

The way it looks now, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmiero, and Alex Rodriguez won't get in either

MLB and the BBWAA want to maintain the "purity" of the Hall of Fame.

OK, I'll get on board with that. But if we really want to keep the Hall pure, then we have to do some house-cleaning. Time to weed out those who are "un-worthy." Let's start with 15 for now:
  1. Babe Ruth - The man was a drunk and a womanizer. He openly violated federal law (prohibition). He also fathered a child by a woman other than his wife.
  2. Ty Cobb - A racist and murderer. Also accused of fixing games
  3. Tris Speaker - Accused of fixing games with Cobb
  4. Cap Anson - Racist.
  5. Pud Galvin - Steroid user
  6. Enos Slaughter - Racist
  7. Gaylord Perry - Admitted to using a spitball in clear violation of MLB rules
  8. Kirby Pucket - Womanizer
  9. Paul Molitor - Admitted drug user
  10. Fergie Jenkins - Admitted drug user
  11. Don Sutton - Admitted doctoring baseballs
  12. Whitey Ford - Admitted doctoring baseballs
  13. Rogers Hornsby - Admitted to cheating in a self-penned article "You've Got To Cheat To Win"
  14. Ralph Kiner - Admitted to using amphetamines
  15. Willie Stargell - Used Amphetamines
And I haven't even gotten started on the non-players in the Hall (you know Comiskey is at the top of that list).

Who else should we weed out? Or better yet, who will be left once we are done?

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Saturday, January 17, 2009

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You Don't Know Baseball Like You Used To

An extremely slow day, and I don't feel like writing about patches yet again, so I come to you with a premise:  You don't know baseball like you used to.

I'm going to ask you some simple baseball questions.  15 years ago you would have rattled these off and laughed in my face about how easy they were.

1.  What is the current number of home runs needed to become the all-time career home run leader?  You have no idea do you?  You know it used to be 755 and it was 714 once, but what's the number now?

2.  Remember 2130?  Of course you do.   Now Cal Ripken is baseball's all-time Iron Man.   In how many consecutive games did Cal play?

3.  I will make this a little easier.   What is the current single season home run record?   72?  73?  74?  You tell me.  Are you sure?

4.  Who is currently the American League leader for most home runs in a season and how many did he hit?

The 2013 Hall of Fame ballot sure will be interesting.   Will the writers ignore Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, and Roger Clemens, and continue to ignore Pete Rose, Rafael Palmeiro (3,000 and 500) and the most popular post-strike baseball player Mark McGwire, you know the guy that restored baseball as America's Past Time?

Amazing how things change.

(762, 2632 , 73 and 61 by Roger Maris).

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Wednesday, January 14, 2009

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Counterpoint: Pete Rose Should Not Be Enshrined In The Hall

Let's clarify something right off the bat. The Hall of Fame is not ignoring Pete Rose. In fact, Pete Rose is already in the Hall of Fame.

Yes, I wrote that correctly.

Pete Rose is already in the Hall of Fame.

His accomplishments are recognized and memorabilia from his career is displayed. Depending on when you go you might also actually see a picture of him (probably sliding head first).

What he does not have is a plaque among the Hall of Famers. And this is the way it should be.

“Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.”
That is the rule that Rose violated. It is displayed in every single clubhouse at every single level of organized, affiliated baseball. And I don't mean displayed like the calorie chart of Whoppers at Burger King. It is displayed on signs large enough to see across the locker room.

In other words - if you ever set foot in a professional locker room, you should know this rule. How many times did Pete Rose see this rule? How many clubhouses did he walk into and out of in his career? He played or managed in 4,330 games in the majors. Add in minor league games, exhibitions, spring trainings, practices, etc. - you have to figure Rose walked past this sign at least 6,000 times in his life.

He knew what the rule was - and he knew the consequences of violating that rule.

It's not a temporary ban. It's not a suspension. It says permanently ineligible.

Rose was an amazing player. Was he the greatest at any specific position? Hardly. But he was outstanding at 5 different positions. And he played the game with more heart and passion than maybe anyone in the history of the game. He wanted to win all the time no matter what.

Sadly it was that passion for winning that was ultimately his downfall.

The debate whether Rose gambled or not is in the past (though the specifics of how he bet are still in dispute). Even if - as Rose now claims (and we know what kind of credibility that has) - he only placed bets on his team to win, it still violated baseball's prime directive.

And as for those who will lump Rose in with those from the steroid era - stop. It's not the same thing. None of the juiced ballplayers (McGwire, Sosa, etc.) ever broke a baseball rule. There was no rule saying they couldn't use supplements. They did what they had to do to win and they should be in the Hall when their time comes up (see my comments about McGwire).

Bottom line, Pete broke the rule. You break the rule, you suffer the consequences.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009

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Thinking About Ollie, Wolf, Roger, Empty Seats In The Bronx and the New Name For Mets Stadium

Derek Lowe got his money and his fourth year.   I guess it's hard to give a 35 year old a fourth year, thing stend not to work out (cough, Pedro) with that fourth year, but on the other hand it's the price of doing business these days.  The old one stupid owner theory.

So I'd like to be mad and throw things but I get it.

So we're back to Oliver Perez.  Guess who represents him.   Guess who knows the Mets really need starters.  How much do you think a 27 year old left-hander is going to cost now?   Ollie, you can buy lunch.

What are the Mets going to do, say no?   Tim Redding is a fifth starter....they need a four, and by four I don't mean Four Inning Pedro.

This Randy Wolf fellow intrigues me.   He used to be pretty good back when with the Phillies before the Tommy John surgery.   He might be worth a gamble.

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Morgan Stanley Stadium in 2010?   Is there a single person out there who thinks the present Name Which Shall Not Be Said (until they stop using taxpayer money to name ballparks) will last 20 years?   The Washington Post printed the following:

"I think within 12 months, Citigroup no longer exists," said William Smith at Smith Asset Management, who owns Citigroup shares. He has been calling for a breakup of Citigroup for years, and believes the government will force that fate in piece-meal fashion over the coming year.
The Boston Herald has a piece about Roger Clemens not making the Hall of Fame.  Absurd.  Like I said about Rose unless you're going to re-write the results book, Clemens is a Hall of Famer.

I may have to start my own Pantheon Of The Famous and invite Rose, Bonds, McGwire & Sosa to be in the inaugural class.

Finally, The Times says you can still get premium seats at Yankee III.  20 games will only set you back seven grand.

Published: January 14, 2009
The Yankees have hired a division of a residential real estate brokerage, Prudential Douglas Elliman, to help sell unsold premium seats and luxury boxes at their new stadium.


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Tuesday, January 13, 2009

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Point: Put Pete Rose In the Hall Of Fame


Even Jim Rice is in the Hall of Fame now, but Pete Rose isn't.

I say put Pete in the Hall. Here's why.

You're all quick to throw your heroes away, and you shouldn't.

There were tons of McGwire & Sosa jerseys around in the mid 90s. Everyone knew they were on steroids. New York City had a ticker-tape parade for a Chicago Cub! Barry Bonds can break that record, great let's all watch Joe buck make the call! Then you turned on Bonds too when it turned out he wasn't that nice of a guy.   Then Clemens was the cool story in baseball - wow 340 wins!  Then you turned on him too.

Andy Pettitte is another hero with a decision to make these days.  If he resigns with the Yankees he can be a "Yankee for life" but if he signs with someone else, then he'll wind up as Clemens' hated steroid buddy.

Pete Rose.  4256 Hits.  3 rings.  17 time all star.  If you saw him play you know how good he was.  Nobody ever once thought he was not trying to win.  People in Cincinnati loved him, and people in Philadelphia loved him.  

He did a bad thing.  It has been twenty years.  If you have to put "suspended from baseball" on the plaque then do it.  Otherwise please remove all the bats and balls and uniforms and other Pete Rose memorabilia from the building in Cooperstown.   While you're at it, let's put some asterisks next to some of the World Series winners - maybe the 1980 Royals should be declared retroactive champions since Pete is a non-person.

You can't have a Hall of Fame without the all time hits leader, the home run season leader, the home run career leader, and a guy that in 2007 was being called the best pitcher in 50 years.  You can't undo the record book.   You can't take back the spitballs, you can't take back the steroid-added home runs, you can't take back 4256 hits.

It's time to put Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame.


Put 'em all in. Pete's been ostracized for 20 years. Enough.