Showing posts with label tug mcgraw. Show all posts
Showing posts with label tug mcgraw. Show all posts

Wednesday, January 06, 2010

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Solving the Tug McGraw jersey mystery


I've been fascinated by this Tug McGraw jersey (several articles about it, I won't rehash) and Jon from the super-awesome Mets By The Numbers has provided the answer.  Take it away Jon!









 Hi, I'd be happy to help. I get the same question at mbtn often and addressed it at least once before here: http://mbtn.net/real-mcgraw

1. I'm not sure but the numbers look okay to me.

2. Yes, in spring training but McGraw wore 45 once the season began. Often, materials published in the spring (such as yearbooks) would contain a published roster including numbers players did not wear, and/or photos from spring training.

3. I don't know this for sure I suspect Mitchell & Ness relied on inaccurate information they found on the Internet but did not verify. A certain website covering mets uni numbers (cough) may have been the first to make this mistake. This was back when I was still separating numbers *listed* from the numbers that were actually worn. That would have been back before I re-did the site in 2003, not sure how old the jersey is. Maybe I should feel a little guilty for this but had someone asked me at the time I'd have strongly recommended they double check, especially if they were going to be creating a $275 jersey off it.

Anyway, hope this helps. Any other questions about Mets uni numbers please visit my site.




Awesome job by Jon, and there's even more detail here.  MBTN is a great site, a great resource, and I highly suggest you check it out.

Thanks for the assist.

Today will be a special day on Mets Police.  My goal is to make it through the day without mentioning the color scheme.  Let's see how long I last.

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Sunday, January 03, 2010

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The Mystery of the #56 Tug McGraw jersey



 I saw this Tug McGraw jersey listed from Mitchell & Ness and it confused me.  I only know Tug to wear #45 and the numbers looked big.  I posted it, and it seems to bug you guys too.










I tried checking out the MLB style guide and the online version didn't help me enough to decide.  That 30 looks a tad smaller than the 30 to me, but maybe I'm comparing apples to oranges since clearly one jersey is gray and one isn't.






Head on over to Baseball Almanac's 1965 Mets roster and you see Tug listed as #45.

Frank was bothered by all this so he emailed Mitchell & Ness.  A nice man named Jerry V wrote back and says it is a Spring Training jersey.

I went to the Google News Archives.   Here's a story from spring 1965 about promising pitcher Frank McGraw.   No pic though.

Did a search on Uni Watch and found nothing, but I've emailed this article to Paul Lukas, I bet he solves the case.

Paul from Paul's Random Stuff sent over this link which is from a recent auction that sold Galen Cisco's 1964-65 game worn jersey.  The numbers on the Tug version still look low to me, and a tad big, no?  (thanks Paul!!!)










I'm stumped.   There's really three questions here:

1.  Did the Mets wear numbers that big?
2.  Did Tug wear #56 ever?
3.  Why would they pick the combination of Tug/1965/and a number he's not known for?

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Wednesday, December 30, 2009

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1965 Tug McGraw Mets jersey


Who am I to question Mitchell and Ness, but I am unfamiliar with the Mets having giant numbers like these. I guess I could look it up in the style guide but I have been resisting looking at the guide because I know I will wind up writing 20 articles.

Anyway here's a 1965 McGraw jersey.  This is where I say it looks better than anything they wear now.

#56 huh?  I kinda want this.



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Saturday, October 24, 2009

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Mail: Tug McGraw And This Temporary Phillies Rivalry

I still don't know how I feel about Tug today.

tgallagher76 has left a new comment on your post "Tug McGraw Told New York To Stick It":

During the 2000 playoffs Bobby Jones pitched an amazing game against the Giants in the NLDS. At that game Tug threw out the first pitch. He ran out to the mound in a Mets jacket. When he got there he ripped it off to reveal a t-shirt underneath reading, "Ya Gotta Beleive!" in orange and blue". He smiled to the crowd and fired in the ceremonial first pitch. Given this, I assume he had made his peace with the team and it's use of the phrase by this point. It helped to cheer up a packed house that had just been forced to endure Cindy Lauper singing the national anthem. 


Did he want us to stick it or not?  Was he just caught up in 1980 Philly Phever?   Did he make peace with us?  Would he just wave at anyone?  

I rememeber somewhere Keith Hernandez says he considers himself a Cardinal first (boy do we need David Wright to win some rings and play 18 years at third in Flushing) but I don't recall him ever being mean to either franchise.

Somewhere along the way David Cone became a Yankee, and Darryl kind of did too for a while.  Less so with Doc, but of course he saved his no-hitter for out of town.

Our heroes are few.

As for this Phillies rivalry - everyone acts like they are our Red Sox.  Nobody ever gave a darn about the Phillies until The Collapse.   Nobody cared when they won in 1980 or 1983 or 1993.   The rival was the Cubs, then the Cardinals for a few years (who cares about them now), then the Pirates were hated (again, who hates the Pirates now), then the Braves (in 2009 nobody cared) and now the Phillies.  If the 2010 Mets win 95 games and the Nats win 96 we'll hate them and forget about the Phillies.


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