Showing posts with label mets turkeys. Show all posts
Showing posts with label mets turkeys. Show all posts

Wednesday, November 25, 2009

(0) Comments

Top New York Mets Turkeys Of All Time (Part Three)

Parts one and two of this series were from 2008, however 2009 was just so special that some new additions to the Mets Turkeys have made it.

Last year I forgot one of the all-timer turkeys (which in turn makes me a blogger turkey) in Jim Fregosi.  If you watched Mets Yearbook 1971 you know how excited the Mets were to get him.  In 146 games across two seasons he hit .243 with 5 HRs and 43 RBI.  Never mind how annoying trading Nolan Ryan for Fregosi was, the Mets sent him to Texas for a player to be named later.  Nolan Ryan for "send me someone when you get around to it."   Awful.

Another suggestion came in, and it's a good one.  Vince Coleman.   Like Bobby Bonilla and our next turkey was from the "if you can't beat 'em sign 'em" Mets philosophy (under this philosophy Chase Utley will be a Met around his 39th birthday).   Hit Dwight Gooden with a golf club, check.  Throw a firework, check.  Suspended?  Check.  Ever see a Coleman jersey at Citi Field?  Keep waiting.

Speaking of "if you can't beat 'em sign 'em" say you needed to win one game to save your season?   Seven runs in 1/3 of an inning to complete the 2007 choke.  61-56 as a Met but my lasting memory of Tom Glavine will always be that last day.

 Jeff Kent.  I'm pulling out of field 6 at Jones Beach and I put on WFAN.   The Mets have traded David Cone for Jeff Kent and Ryan Thompson.   What???    Thompson was a turkey but didn't play enough to be an all-time turkey.   Kent managed to win an MVP (elsewhere) and maybe even accumulate enough stats to make the Hall of Fame, but he'll always be hated around these parts.  He didn't like us and we didn't like him.  We won't see Jeff at too many Old Timer's Days not that we have those...I mean the team has only been around for 50 years.

Dan sent some over:


Steve Chilcott – The Mets had the first pick in the 1966 amateur draft.  Their scouts had focused on a young outfielder attending Arizona State University.  The kid had power and speed – he was a sure bet to advance though the system.  Yet as the draft drew near, the Mets changed their plans and drafted Steve Chilcott, a catcher out of Lancaster, CA.  The supposed reason?  The young OFer was black and his girlfriend was white.  Chilcott never played a game in the majors.  The young OFer is in the Hall of Fame – Reggie Jackson.

Frank Viola – In 1988 Viola won the AL Cy Young with the Twins going 24-7.  After starting 1989 at 8-12, the Twins traded Viola to the Mets for Rick Aguliera and a cast of others.  Viola spent 2 ½ years with the Mets going 38-32 before departing as a free agent.   Even though his record wasn’t that bad, he never really lived up to his hype.  Meanwhile Aguliera spent 11 years in Minnesota racking up 254 saves.

George Bamberger, Jeff Torborg, Dallas Green, Art Howe – All managers with winning records brought to the Mets to try an invigorate them, only to fail miserably.

Shawn Abner, Tim Leary, Jason Tyner, Terry Blocker, Billy Beane et al – Yeah, every team has their stories about draft picks that didn’t make it, but this is a blog about the Mets.  For some reason these guys were all hyped more than others and never quite did anything

Mike weighed in with this one:


Jeff Torborg:   Anybody who sat through the daily Mike and the Mad Dog interviews with Torborg knows how bad a manager he was.  For those who don't remember, Torborg signed a contract with WFAN to do a daily spot with Mike and the Mad Dog and by June it was the most painful thing to listen to--the radio equivalent of not being able to turn away from a massive car crash.

The person most grateful to see Torborg fired was the sponsor.



Now on to 2009.  Doesn't this picture make you mad?  No the Yankees didn't just win the World Series in this photo, they just won a Subway Series game because Luis Castillo can't catch a pop-up.  We'll be talking about that one 50 years from now.  Congrats Luis, you are an unforgettable Met.












The Promenade.   I'm tempted to go all-in and name the entire ballpark a turkey, but it has some nice aspects...but the upper deck is a turkey.  How you could sell someone this seat and expect not to lose a customer is beyond me.   I don't know how this happened, but the Promenade is a terrible place to see the game, and in left field you can't see the left fielder.   They made better ballparks 100 years ago.









David Howard.   I don't think he's actually a Batman villain, but I have no idea what he looks like and pictures of him on the intertubes are rare.   Dave makes our list because he's a spinmeister.  Although he scored some rare points with me over the weekend, it's really hard to un-turkey.   Dave makes the list because of this:   Mets Today did a great recap of his interview with Francesca, from which we excerpt.

The way we characterize “obstructed” is if you have an obstruction, something in front of you — a beam, a pillar, something that’s blocking your view. That’s not the case here. It is a function of the geometry of the building. And it is a conscious decision that we made along with the designers and the architects, that we wanted people to be lower and closer to the field, and have great views, and great views of the action
Wait, so you're saying it was deliberate not to be able to see the game?

Yes I understand the issue in the left field promenade reserve, I understand the issue with the Pepsi porch, that was, again, intentional, to bring the seats low and close, and overhang the field, it’s a great perspective, it’s very cool, it’s very popular, we understand the concern, it’s the lowest-priced seat in the building, it’s still a great seat, and we still feel we’re delivering a tremendous value to our customers.




Gobble gobble.  Happy Thanksgiving everyone!  (Still more to come today, and all weekend, we're not packing it in.)

Part one of this series.

Part two of this series.

Main Mets Police page
Follow us on twitter @metspolice
Facebook page
send ideas/guest columns to shannon at metspolice.com

Bookmark and Share

Tuesday, November 24, 2009

(0) Comments

Top New York Mets Turkeys Of All Time (Part Two)


Yesterday we covered part one of  the all-time Mets Turkeys, those Mets who were supposed to do great things but didn't.   Today we cover part two, once again in no particular order.

Bobby Valentine.  Even though I thought he would be a good choice for 2010 manager (change the story, make the franchise exciting, get a little dirt on the uniforms)  V makes the list because he never had the Mets prepared to start the season during his first stint.   Every season they would dig a big hole in April, be something like 8 games back, and then have to scratch and claw the rest of the season just to hope to play a one game play-in with the Reds to then be the Wild Card.    It's a drain on players when you can't rest anyone because every game after May 1st is a must-win.   The season goes a lot easier if you have a big lead unless you are our next turkey...(as this article originally ran in 2008 I know that this gets a lot of negative response.  Why would I want him in 2010 if he's a turkey?  2009 was that bad, I'll take a bad start and gritty late play than a dead franchise. Plus I didn't want to be disingenuous and act like he was never on the list.  Fire away!)

Willie Randolph.   Go over to some Yankees blog if you want to wax poetic on this guy.   He managed the biggest choke job in history and then dug a hole for the 2008 Mets that ended with the worst stadium closing of all-time.

Mickey Lolich.   Here's some data I grabbed off wikipedia that will tell you the story.  What it doesn't tell you is that he was 8-13 for the Mets, and hated New York so much that he sat out 1977 (opened a donut shop and then rejoined baseball in 1978).


Lolich ranks among the Tigers' all time leaders in many categories, including the following:
  • 2,679 strikeouts is #1 on the Tigers all time list
  • 39 shutouts is #1 on the Tigers all time list
  • 459 games started is #1 on the Tigers all time list
  • 329 home runs allowed is #1 on the Tigers all time list
  • 109 wild pitches is #2 on the Tigers all time list (behind Jack Morris)
  • 207 wins is #3 on the Tigers all time list (behind Hooks Dauss and George Mullin)
  • 508 games is #3 on the Tigers all time list (behind John Hiller and Hooks Dauss)
  • 3,361 innings pitched is #3 on Tigers all time list (behind George Mullin and Hooks Dauss)


Juan Samuel.  Look at the picture of Lenny Dykstra in a Phillies uniform.  Feel the pain.   They traded a beloved CFer and another beloved player in Roger McDowell, two of the key 1986 Mets for Juan Samuel.  Sammy played 86 games for the Mets and hit .226   Dykstra was an All-Star and flirted with .400 for a while.

Victor Zambrano.   Ah Victor, we surrendered Scott Kazmir for you.  Well, we didn't, the Mets did.  Any fat blogger worth his salt wouldn't have made that trade.  




Devil Rays GM Chuck Lamar told ESPN Radio Friday night that he lamented giving up Zambrano, but felt Kazmir was too good to pass up.
"It was a good trade for us, and I think it was a heck of a trade for the New York Mets," Lamar said. "Victor Zambrano has been here a long time. ... You hate to give him up but we've spent a lot of time and effort and money of getting a nucleus of our young position players. We knew this day was coming that we needed to start getting our hands on some pitching that can truly beat the Red Sox and Yankees in this division, and we think Scott Kazmir has that kind of ability."



The Mets went 71-91.   Scott Kazmir...you know the story.

Did we forget any turkeys?  Hit comments.


More tomorrow with the 2009 additions!

Main Mets Police page
Follow us on twitter @metspolice
Facebook page
send ideas/guest columns to shannon at metspolice.com

Bookmark and Share

Monday, November 23, 2009

(0) Comments

Top New York Turkeys Mets Of All Time (Part One)


As Turkey Week begins, we celebrate the great Mets turkeys of all time.   Those who promised greatness and gave us nothing.  One of the great things about having had the blog now for some time is that I can (being honest) reuse some content...parts one and two are from 2008, however 2009 was a great year for turkeys so we'll have some new additions...and if you'd like to suggest some email me at shannon@metspolice.com

In no particular order, here are some of the great Mets Turkeys...

Generation K:  I think it was best put by a friend of mine (whose brain I picked for this article) who said "Pulsipher, Isringhuasen and The Other Guy."   Yep, these three pitchers were going to dominate the 1990s.  Izzy had a decent career somewhere else, Pulse was a mess, and you're still trying to remember the other guy's name.   At least Generation K weren't saddled by horrible black uniforms for this picture.




Kaz Matsui:  The Yankees have a Matsui, we should get one too!   This was the height of the Japanese obsession where the Mets would sign Shinjo and "The Japanese Greg Maddux" rather than get the real guys.


Speaking of the Japanese Greg Maddux, I will tell you his name Thursday to (a) torture you and (b) give myself a generic post I can write on Wednesday night so I don't have to blog over turkey.

Bobby Bonilla.   We've covered this many times.   Great with Bonds, horrible with Mets.   One of the most hated Mets of all time, so what do the Mets do?  They bring him back for a second time so we can boo him more.  He didn't make it to the final game at Shea.

Joe Foy.   You don't know who he is.   He's the Bobby Bonilla of 1970.  You kids won't believe it now but the Mets could never find a good third-baseman, so they traded for one.   He hit .236.   The player they gave up was Amos Otis who played until 1984 and went to the playoffs numerous times for the Royals.  Foy was done after 1971.

Roberto Alomar.   At one point he was a lock for the Hall of Fame.  It was plausible that he was going to be the greatest second baseman of all-time.  He hit .336 with 20 and 100 in the pre-steroids 2001.   In 2002 he joins the Mets and .266 with 11 home runs.   Robby fell so far he wond up on the Long Island Ducks

Tomorrow, part two!


Main Mets Police page
Follow us on twitter @metspolice
Facebook page
send ideas/guest columns to shannon at metspolice.com

Bookmark and Share